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To talk someone into/out of doing something - cours d'anglais 6h4n2g

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Voici une expression très idiomatique qui n'est pas spontanément employée par les étudiants étrangers ...

Je m'efforce de l'enseigner, et la faire employer, mais depuis plusieurs années ... et hier encore, j'ai  eu l'occasion d'en entendre de 'nouvelles formes' ...

De plus en plus souvent j'entends des variantes plus 'imagées' et originales.( to threaten into, to blackmail into, to kiss into ...) Je me suis donc mise à chercher ces 'nouvelles' formes dans les grammaires et dictionnaires. Je n'y ai pas trouvé les réponses que je cherchais et me suis donc renseignée dans les Forums de sites célèbres dont je suis membre. Il m'a été répondu de façon très favorable par des Britanniques autant que des Américains ... qui m'ont conseillé d'être 'brave' (courageuse) et d'oser m'aventurer dans des formules qui ne sont pas encore entrées dans les dictionnaires, mais très souvent employées et entendues ... Je serai donc 'brave, ... mais pas téméraire' (reckless), pour être certaine de rester fiable ... 

'My Mom talked me into inviting Paula to come to my party.' = Ma mère m'a persuadée (en me parlant) d'inviter Paula à ma fête. 

Cette expression  *** Si l'on persuade le sujet de faire l'action, se construit donc : Sujet + verbe someone into + doing something

ex : ' She talked herself into making the dive' = 'Elle s'est persuadée de faire le grand plongeon.' (Ici, la personne convaincue et celle qui convainc est la même !)

ex : 'The policeman bludgeoned the protester into submission' (or 'into submitting') :Sujet + verbe someone into + nom   = Le policier a matraqué le manifestant pour qu'il se rende.

                         *** Si l'on persuade le sujet de s'abstenir de, la structure devient : Sujet + verbe someone  out of doing something

ex : I talked him out of resisting. = Je l'ai persuadé de ne pas résister ...

Ici, INTO DOING indique l'action que la personne est persuadée de faire (to submit oneself) et le VERBE principal suivant le sujet de la phrase indique le MOYEN employé pour parvenir à cette fin. (to bludgeon)

De même, OUT OF DOING indique l'action que la personne est dissuadée de faire (resisting) et le VERBE principal indique le MOYEN employé pour parvenir à cette fin. (to talk).

Je ne peux m'empêcher d'observer avec émerveillement et iration une langue qui donne tant de liberté et permet tant d'inventivité ... aussi longtemps que l'on reste dans les limites du grammatical et de l'usage (qui évolue si vite ....), bien sûr !

Dans l'exercice qui suit, toutes les formules ont été approuvées par des Anglo-saxons ...

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1. Patricia's mother talked with such arguments that her daughter didn't resign... >> Patricia's mother talked her daughter out of reg.Patricia's mother talked with her daughter out of reg.Patricia's mother talked her daughter into reg.Je ne sais pas

2. Though he doesn't particularly appreciate classical music, Jenny cajoled Chris, and he went to the concert. >>
Jenny cajoled Chris out of going to the concertJenny cajoled Chris going to the concert.Jenny cajoled Chris into going to the concert.Je ne sais pas

3. The dishonest salesman tricked the businessman so that he paid him out a lot of money...>> The dishonest salesman tricked the businessman into paying him out a lot of money.The dishonest salesman tricked the businessman to pay him out a lot of money.The dishonest salesman has tricked the businessman out of paying him a lot of money.Je ne sais pas

4. The candidate argued with his constituents so that they didn't vote for his opponent ! >> The candidate argued his constituents into voting for his opponent !The candidate argued his constituents to voting for his opponent !The candidate argued his constituents out of voting for his opponent !Je ne sais pas

5. Nicholas bullied his schoolmate Olie so much that she gave him her packed lunch ! >> Nicholas bullied Olie in giving him out her packed lunch !Nicholas bullied Olie out of giving him her packed lunch !Nicholas bullied Olie into giving him her packed lunch !Je ne sais pas

6. Paul's wife persuaded him so that he refused his promotion and relocation. >>Paul's wife persuaded him out of refusing his promotion and relocation.Paul's wife persuaded him into accepting his promotion and relocation.Paul's wife persuaded him into refusing his promotion and relocation.Je ne sais pas

7. The burglars threatened the shopkeeper, so that he gave them all his money ! >>The burglars threatened the shopkeeper out of giving them all his money !The burglars threatened the shopkeeper into giving them all his money !The burglars threatened the shopkeeper in giving them all his money !Je ne sais pas

8. She talked with her sister Jane so much, that Jane didn't confess her love to her new boyfriend. >>She talked her sister Jane out of confessing her love to her new boyfriend.She talked her sister Jane out confessing her love of her new boyfriend.She talked her sister Jane into confessing her love to her new boyfriend.Je ne sais pas

9. The thieves beat the bank manager, so that he opened the safe... >>
The thieves beat the bank manager out opening of the safe ...The thieves beat the bank manager out of opening the safe ...The thieves beat the bank manager into opening the safe ...Je ne sais pas

10. Dad scared his little boy so much that he confessed his lie ! >>
Dad scared his little boy out of confessing his lie !Dad scared his little boy into confessing his lie !Dad scared his little boy onto confessing his lie !Je ne sais pas

 

Along my research for this lesson and the making of this test, I acknowledged that the Anglo-Saxons who confirmed the expressions I used were totally right when they told me that it's much easier to be creative with the persuasive form (into) than with the discouraging form (out of). So let's not be afraid of encouraging people (by various means ! ), but let's be cautious when it comes to discouraging people ! An interesting and encouraging conclusion of 'moral philosophy', isn't it ?